2006-07-29 [Moonlit Serenade]: descriptions that are more appealing to read.

2006-07-29 [Stray Kitty]: Okay. That would be much better than reading through those insane lists of things.

2006-07-29 [Aradon Templar]: *cheers for more common sense in Elftown being verbalized/wiki-ized*

2006-07-30 [Azuri]: *nods in agreement* I could deal with quiz thingies if they were well done and interesting

2006-08-06 [Sunrose]: - Chain messages aren't allowed, because they affect you personally: it's more difficult to ignore them, because they arrive in your inbox. If 11000 members sent chain messages, your inbox would be cramped with crap. This is not the case with text on peoples houses.
- The useless 'text' we remove is as often copied as the sexual limmericks are. They are also considered ASCII art, because it are symbols used as decoration.

When ASCII art was banned, some Guards who wanted it banned promised to help removing it. In the end it were those who never wanted the rule, who had to do most of that work.
Considering the copied texts the same problem occurs: Who will end up doing all the work?
And then there's [Hedda]'s reply: He doesn't want to see every single thing forbidden, because it is a bit annoying to some. Making our rules really strict will make people leave. Considering the fact that Elftown is not just for 'elitist' artists and writers, but for hangarounds as well, the rules should cater to both groups. Instead of chasing hangarounds away.

2006-08-06 [Sunrose]: It's not that difficult to ignore such a story on someone's house. Or if it really bugs you, to try and inspire that member to write their own texts. The problem I see is that these petitions never really stop. As soon as 1 thing actually gets banned, a new petition about something else starts. In that sense I think everyone needs to relax a little bit and leave a bit of freedom :s

2006-08-06 [Moonlit Serenade]: Most often, when you try to 'inspire' other members, no matter how nice you are about it, it ends up with a hissy fight and a Guard telling you that you should have gone to them first. I, myself, don't want to see them banned, persay. Maybe just moved to a wiki that you could link to. I think a description should be left to describing oneself. Not a lot of well... stupid pasted things.

2006-08-07 [iippo]: I, myself, don't want to see them banned, persay. Maybe just moved to a wiki that you could link to.
Yes, that's the plan I believe. The "ban" refers to the houses only.

2006-08-07 [Azuri]: Could make a offical page for each of them give them good grammer and spelling(Gasp! I know impossible right?) and then they can replace the story with the link and walla, magic i know. Its either that or the gaurds can when they go to delete the story out replace it with the link to the appropriate page , though i duno if that would be too much work :/

2006-08-07 [Moonlit Serenade]: It really would be a lot of work. Think of all the links they'd have to remember for each story. And if a memeber had more than one of them, even worse. The members should be responsible for it.

2006-08-07 [iippo]: The whole thing could be approached more like the bio-limitation thing was: so people with long bios didn't have to cut theirs down, but you weren't supposed to (or couldn't even, actually) make a new long bio. The only difference is that preventing this can't be done technically, like the bio-limit is.
More and more ET people these days don't mind obeying rules that make sense (like the UAR). So if they are told "look, please don't paste those things in your scripo", some might actually go "ok, I won't, I'll write something else." And this wiki tries to make sensible reasons why they shouldn't be pasted.
Baby steps y'know. If you think too far ahead ("omg who will remove them all?") on any project, you'll get depressed.

2006-08-07 [iippo]: It's good that people get discussing this wiki, pointing out what works and what doesn't, suggesting things etc... :) It's a long process.

2006-08-07 [Sunrose]: [Moonlit Serenade]: I don't think you understood it. In two cases you are told to go to the Guards immediately: When a member clearly violates the UAR or when you are randomly insulted.
However, when you approach someone about their 'stupid pasted thing', you are approaching them about something that does not actually violate the UAR. If you then notice someone responds hostile towards your suggestion, it is better to leave it alone. It's no use trying to force it down their throats. If you try doing that, undoubtedly Guards will be called upon to settle the matter. It also often depends on the tone you approach them with.
If you are planning on sending suggestions, you have to be able to handle negative responses from unwilling members and walk away from them. And you have to be content with the fact that you will only be able to change some people, not everyone you've tried it with.

2006-08-07 [Sunrose]: [iippo]: The bio-limit is kind of different though, because it is done automatically. When you discuss about removing texts manually, you have to take logistics into account. Otherwise you're making a rule without means to enforce it.
Unless this discussion is more about how we can get members to change things themselves..

2006-08-08 [Stray Kitty]: And what if they only have the motorcycle story or some other stupid pasted thing in their bio and no description? For example: [jennsbelle] just has the motocycle story and nothing else. Wouldn't it be better if she just had a link and a better bio.

2006-08-09 [Sunrose]: Of course it would be better, but that doesn't change what I said..

2006-08-10 [Kiddalee]: Can we not change the UAR to include written pieces?

2006-08-10 [Moonlit Serenade]: No lie. I was plagarized, and no one did anything. Just because it's writing doesn't mean it isn't art. After all, their is a place for writers on Elfwood.

2006-08-10 [Sunrose]: Actually when an Elftowner reports writing that was stolen/copied from them, Guards do take action. IF we have sufficient proof.
And you seemed to have missed out on the already made point that [Hedda] is opposed to more rules. He pretty much has the final say.
Random copied texts, songlyrics and texts that belong to non-Elftowners will not be put in the rules. Despite that fact, some Guards have taken the effort from time to time to message members and tell them to credit the author.

[Moonlit Serenade]: The member you reported was actually spoken to. You provided no proof that you were the original author, so we had to find a way first to solve this situation. The text on her house now is not like yours, if you had actually bothered to look.
Your report was made the 27th. The reported member changed the text a few days after. We're not personal slaves, we do the reports when we have time. Difficult ones will be discussed and thus will take some more time, since we prefer to do our job as best we can. I'm assuming that is also what you'd prefer us to do.

2006-08-10 [iippo]: This isn't the right place to solve issues you have or have had with the guards, so now we'll consider that matter solved.

2006-08-10 [Kiddalee]: How is a random story pasted from the net any different from a random picture pasted from the net?